Traditional English Classes

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Traditional English classes

These are some of the points that I gave to my students in (summer 2009) throughout a handout, and hopefully you will get much benefit out of it. Are u Ready????.

English classes are the most popular way in which people study English. They are so amazingly popular that most people do not even think about how to learn English. The process is automatic: I want to learn English, so I sign up for an English course. I will pay some money, sit in class for a few hours a week, and I will get good English.
This is very surprising, because English classes are a very poor way of learning English. A lot have spent a large part of their lives in English classes (in high school, college, and at language schools), and we know what they are like. With all our knowledge of English classes and courses, we would be surprised if we met a person who has learned to speak English very well by going to English classes.
If you attend English classes, you spend many hours a week on them. Often, you also spend lots of your money.
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 What will you have for your money and time?
Here is what most learners do at an English class:

1. Listen to some bad English. The pronunciation, grammar, and vocabulary of other students (and sometimes the teacher, too) will be bad. Sometimes as bad as this, or worse. Surely listening to these people will not make your English better.
2. Say five sentences in English. There are usually 10-20 students in the class, so there is little time for you to speak English. Normal English classes are very poor speaking practice. (Conversation classes are better.)
3. Read a boring textbook. Almost all English teachers use textbooks. Want to know why? Because it makes their work easier. They don't have to prepare for every class. They just do the next unit in the book. Textbooks make teaching "easy". And they make learning boring and ineffective. You have to read stupid stories about some schmucks like Michael Jackson or a woman who lived in African jungle for two years. Then you have to answer questions about them and talk about them with other students. This is madness! All this nonsense that you don't care about, may drive you nuts. It makes you think that learning English is too boring.
4. Listen to a few grammar rules, such as "the present continuous tense is used for talking about developing and changing situations". Learning grammar rules is the stupidest thing you can do and as Krashen said " Teaching grammar is a waste of time". The two main reasons: 1) It is impossible to memorize all those hundreds of grammar rules anyway, 2) When speaking English, you don't have time to think: "What tense should I use? Let's see... I want to present the idea of action continuing up to the present time, so I should use the present perfect tense." You want to use your English naturally. Grammar rules may improve your scores in tests, but they do not improve your English."
5. Do some grammar exercises. After talking about grammar rules, teachers usually give you some exercises, such as multiple choices or gap filling tests. Grammar exercises have two functions: 1) they make you review the grammar rules, 2) they test your English. The first function is useless because grammar rules are useless. The second function, testing, is okay if you want to compare your knowledge with other people. But testing does not teach you any English.
6. Get a homework assignment. The homework is usually a grammar exercise or a composition. The subject of the composition will usually be something that you don't care about. Examples: Your opinion on the proverb "Blood is thicker than water", Is it good to be famous?. What nonsense. Doing boring things is not going to help your English. It will only decrease your motivation.

English classes will not teach you good pronunciation (which is simply necessary for communication!). Most teachers completely ignore it, sometimes because their own pronunciation is bad. Some teachers will correct your mistakes when you speak. But very few teachers will tell you how you can avoid making the same mistakes again. Very few teachers will tell you about the sounds of English and how to use a dictionary to learn about the pronunciation of words.
Most teachers will not encourage you to read in English, to buy a good English-English dictionary, to listen to English-language recordings on your own. They will just do their textbook and the exercises in it. If your teacher is different, you are lucky.
This is what most English classes look like. Think about your classes. If they are like that — boring and ineffective — then you are simply wasting your time. (Don't worry: you are not alone. Millions of people around the world waste their time by going to English classes, even though they do not improve their English.)
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You can replace ineffective and boring classes with interesting things which will really improve your English:
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Instead of listening to bad English in the classroom, turn on your TV and watch CNN International or another English-language channel. You will get lots of perfect sentences in excellent English.
2. Instead of sitting for two hours to say five sentences in English, sign up for a conversation class with a native or native-like speaker. Or start speaking English with your best friends or even using a self-talk strategy.
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Instead of working with a boring textbook, read something interesting. There are so many interesting texts in English! Surf to English-language sites on the Web. Read a good book in English. Simply, read something that interests you. Something that won't bore you to death.
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Instead of memorizing grammar rules and doing grammar exercises, read and listen to English. Input is the only way to learn impressive, natural English so that you can produce nice output.
Instead of writing compositions about the subject that your teacher gave you, write about something that you care about. For example, write some e-mail in English. Don't write for your teacher — write for yourself! .........

Thanks a lot,

Taha _ Saturday, August 22, 2009

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Hello Mr. taha
You are clearing up and explaining what we are suffering from it at our english classrooms.(this is fact)1
Now we ask all teachers of english to use modern methods and bring different means of teaching .
Besides,we must encourage all students to depend on themselves to improve their pronunciation and conversation .

My greetings for you
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Do we say :
this are Or These are ?
Some of points Or some points ?

Well , all what you mentioned are what all nonnative speakers suffer from
Sometimes I think that we spent more than five years at school in order to learn English But what was the result, poor students can not speak for 2 minutes
Or even can not express them selves
I really do not know were was the problem
Was it the book?
Or the teacher ,who was obliged to finish the course at the end of the year
Or was it the student , who found him self facing a book that does not contain any thing relating to his environment?
And to cap it all ,students nowadays should be multilingual for they have to study at school both English and France in addition to Arabic
And read things related to Internet and E-mail
Which most students don’t have any idea about (I mean who are under 13)
This was about the classrooms at school
While when attending language courses I think the biggest problem is the Student him self
I remember when I attended an English course no one of the students was trying to give it a shot and say a sentence in English
For me I was soooo happy
Because it was just the teacher and me who were talking all the time
So if the teacher does not found that willingness to learn in his students eyes then everything will not be satisfied
About your suggestions to improve language skills
They are very affective
When listening to the native speaker then we may learn so many different words and their right pronunciation
About the self-talking strategy I my self use it very much hhhh for I don’t have anyone may listen to me
By the end
I wish you all the happiness of the world
And thanks a lot Mr.Othman

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personally I think studying a language needs extra effort from the learner.. the teacher is nothing but a helping tool..
its not that simple but, the best language learning experience is the one that come naturally and smoothly
in my experience I'd say aspect num. 1 that helped me to build a strong foundation is passion and curiosity, inseparably..
the passion to learn, hear, practice and I'd never hear a strange word without knowing the meaning..
so far, I wouldn't say I'm a native speaker but thank God I love the way my language grows with me :D
accept my purest regards.

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!Hey Sorgul, Pella, Pearls and all

I am deadly thankful to all of u, guys and girls, for doing your best in the English Forum.

To be perfectly frank with u, self- learning and speaking skills are two of dozens which are marginalized in our schools, universities, and even private universities when we come to discuss the issue of language teaching & learning. Can you give me the names of some of your teachers who were constantly inspiring you to depend on yourselves in improving your abilities in the areas which you find yourselves weak at??!!!!!! Of course, we are/were short of this kind of instructors because they are/were not ready to pay the price in fostering their own pronunciation problems which are hundreds if not thousands. In doing so, later on, they will need to work hard on themselves so that they become good models for heir students.

Again, Pella, following ( modern methods , in your terms,) successful methodology, in my terms, will : 1- force these teachers to do something extraordinary when being at home; and 2- Force the educational administrations and universities to change their standards and codes in the fields of preparing good instructors for schools and colleges…etc.

A lot of real changes must be made in this direction for the sake of establishing new agenda in our classes, though, I am still saying that an inspiring teacher has to blame him/herself for not making real progress BUT not the others; whether students, students' parents, previous English Teachers, administrations, or any other reason. In doing so, he/she wanna get him/herself out of the circle of responsibility.

Sorgul :
Do we say:
this are Or These are ?
Some of points Or some points ?
Taha:
absolutely, THESE ARE, thanks.
As far as SOME OF POINTS is concerned, it is ok to say: some of points.

Sorgul:
While when attending language courses I think the biggest problem is the Student him self
Taha:
Basically, inspiring teachers do their best to motivate learners for taking part in the tasks & activities. Learners will be encouraged to share in exchanging opinions with their peers through interesting topics which are raised by the leader " teacher him/herself " because he/she should know how to draw students' attention smartly. Good teachers must be busy in improving their own tactics & techniques in language teaching BUT NOT with blaming others.

Sorgul:
About the self-talking strategy I my self use it very much hhhh for I don’t have anyone may listen to me
Taha:
In Conversation classes - Summer 2007, I constantly encouraged learners to use this strategy because not all the time you could find somebody to make a conversation with. They were very excited about the idea. Later on, one of the learners, who was ASHITIAN, told me in the class: Teacher, I am very frustrated, disappointed, and sad… I said: WHY. He replied: Well, while I was talking to myself in my room, suddenly my mother opened ' the unlocked door ' and said: Are you nuts???!!! Many problems, honey, since you have been attending classes with Taha….etc. I said to my student:
" NEVER LEAVE THE DOOR UNLOCKED WHILE USING A SELF-TALK STRATEGY ".

A lot of thanks

Taha_ Saturday / October 24. 2009 08:40 P.M

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